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All right, here we go once again. We have the return of UFO expert and founder of the Disclosure Project, Dr. Steven Greer. Welcome back to Vlad TV. >> Thank you. Good seeing you again. >> Well, some things have happened since our last interview, and the biggest of which is Trump had another round of UFO disclosures. Well, actually, on the contrary, um there was really nothing in that first trunch, although we’re encouraged he’s doing it. And what was really interesting is that the day he released
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that last Friday, uh we had our national press club event with four new whistleblowers and green berets, that was a thousand times more evidence and information than what was released that morning by the US government. So what’s always interesting is that what the disclosure project has and is disclosing is is 20 30 40 years ahead of the government which drags its feet. So we’re hoping though, you know, in the information and briefings we’ve done with the administration that that was just sort of a little trial balloon
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to say here’s more is coming. Um so there there’s a lot to unpack in that. The the reality is they’re being blocked by a number of bureaucrats and some of the three-letter agencies and we know who they are and those have been turned over to law enforcement and there are criminal investigations going on about some of that nonsense. But you know he is trying to release things but the you know the the mistake the public makes is that they oh he’s the president. He can wave a magic wand and everything comes
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out but that’s not how the US government works and particularly how a black project works. So, and also remember the most important evidence is not in the government. It’s in the contractors. It’s at Lockheed Skunkworks. Is it North of Grumman, Rathon, Becktail Corporation, EGNG, SIC? We know where they are. But because they’ve been government contractors, they could be compelled to release that data and information and videos and bodies and craft and all that. So, that’s what we’re recommending. and
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they’re going to have to go wider than just the bureaucracy of the US government. But in the meanwhile, we’re going to keep bringing whistleblowers forward and uh putting the truth out because we feel like there has to be some sort of group that’s external to government sort of driving driving the issue. Well, let’s talk about what’s actually in the report to start with. So, the first of which is the Apollo mission anomalies. >> Mhm. So, what they say is that one Apollo 17 transcript described
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astronauts seeing a bright drifting object near the spacecraft and there’s some moon mission imagery showing unexplained dots and lights around the lunar footage and that type of thing. You’re familiar with this part? >> Oh, sure. Yeah. And and and we’ve had a lot of that for years um in the disclosure project. If you go to our archive, dpiarchive.com, you’ll see much better information and and images than that. Now what’s interesting is that I know for a fact you know I think you
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know my uncle helped design the lunar module but the first man on the moon north of Brahman. So his whole career was north of Brahman is a big prime contractor for defense and space and we know that when we landed on the moon in 1969 that we weren’t alone. There is video footage in some compartmented operation of the crater above where we sat down being quote according to Neil Armstrong crowded with UFOs watching as we landed there. So what I’m saying to people the dots out in space interesting
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not conclusive what I know is sitting in some compartmented operation is dispositive and that’s what we need to keep pushing for but you have to have you have to have enough whistleblower and intelligence information to even know what’s out there and I think for the president you know when we first gave the first briefing for him and his team in uh December of of uh 20 and 24 after the election, it was clear that they really didn’t have any information or even know where to go. Same thing with Senate
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intelligence. So, what we’ve been trying to do is pull together the essential uh sites, corporations, compartmented operations, code word information, get it to them, and hopefully they can go in at some point with a SWAT team and and retrieve them. But um the the the reality of it is right now, you know, it’s unsure, it’s unclear in my mind, uh how much of that they’ve gotten hold of. I think more will be coming, but I know it’s it’s been a bit of a struggle. It’s not like they can wave a magic wand. It
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just happens. But you know, the space images not really that dispositive and not surprising. We have better images in our archive. What I think is very important are the operations that for example you look at one of our whistleblowers from we just had our 21st fifth anniversary of the disclosure project and which is was May 2001. This is 2026. So that’s why we just did this national press on Friday when they released all this. I said well thanks Mr. President that was a nice anniversary gift or down payment
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but let’s keep it going. Um and the the bigger issue becomes well if if if our archive and our whistleblowers have this information, documents, data, why isn’t the government not just pushing for it? So I know that Congress, Congressman Berles and Burchett in particular are pushing very hard on this. I know Senator Rounds of Senate Intelligence Committee also. Uh Rubio was a leader on on this issue and the Senate Intelligence as co-chair now he’s secretary of state national security
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adviser. So there are a lot of people who do have good information we’ve provided information to over the last few years and and I think at this point the big question is will they start releasing the really good stuff you know like the the close-up video and other evidence of extraterrestrial craft bodies the man-made craft uh all the the you know 80% of the UFOs people see are made by our covert aerospace contractors. So, I think that’s going to be the test that my group is looking for. And I know the people I’m working
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with in the military and intelligence community who do know about all this. That’s what they’re looking for. Also, >> well, some people say that the moon landing was faked. >> No. Well, no, we went we just didn’t want to show you what happened. So, guess what? They had planned Let’s go back to 2001. Carl Wolf go. Anyone can look at our documentaries and see this unagnowledged or read the books. I know it’s politically incorrect to read. Nobody reads, so I shouldn’t say that. Um, uh,
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very politically incorrect. I think to do math or read. Anyway, um I digress into a social commentary, but I think the the big problem, Vlad, is that this guy was in an operation center at Langley National Security Agency ran it, Langley Air Force Base, not CIA. And it was the early digital images coming back from the moon, right, when we were doing the lunar orbiter. So, the lunar orbiter went around the moon and mapped it so we’d know where to set the lunar module down a year later. Well, it turns out in
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those images he saw artificial structures on the far side of the moon as it were. He saw obelisks uh very ancient structures but some newer structures and you know this guy is very credible and he gave that testimony 25 years ago. It’s in all the briefing materials for all the Congress people and and presidents since then and so we know there’s a great deal more there. Now the problem is where there is and this is where you get into a conversation that may be boring to people but they need to understand it.
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The nature of an illegal offbook offbook black project is that they’re in a compartmented operation and there’s a myth that the president or members of Congress have open access to that if they have a top secret clearance. They don’t. This is the thing that I learned in 1993 when I briefed the CIA director for Bill Clinton. they were being lied to and denied access even though it was the president of the United States. So until people get their mind around that, they’re always going to have the wrong
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expectations, but they also don’t know what the process is to bring this information out. It isn’t it’s it’s very difficult because the program since about 1954 uh 55 in that period they went into an illegal unsanctioned operation which I can unpack that for you if you’d like to know what happened during Eisenhower’s term but the point I’m making is that there’s a lot more important stuff even about the moon landing but it’s not in those first files. Now the the question
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in my mind will they ever get access to that? I mean, I have whistleblowers and I’ve debriefed about a thousand top secret guys and astronauts and whatnot over the last 35 years. The the big question in my mind is the information and the data and the videos and the evidence that we know exists, will they even get access to that, right? And and if so, how? I think it’s going to be a more arduous process than people think. Well, there’s some other stuff that got released. There’s these orb and
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football-shaped object videos, right? >> Uh these white objects over Syria and the Indo-acific, >> right? >> And orbs launching other orbs, right, >> was part of this report. What’s that all about? Well, you know, we’ve seen that, you know, we do our C5 contact, close encounters of the fifth kind contact, and we’ve seen exactly that hundreds of times o over the over the last couple decades. And there are two types of spheres or orbs being seen. There are the ones that are man-made, which are
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kind of knockoffs of the extraterrestrial ones, and then there’s the non-human ones. So the the first question in everyone’s mind needs to be was that ours or extraterrestrial non-human and and that question unfortunately isn’t being asked by a lot of people yet because everyone’s about 70 years behind the technology curve of what Lockheed Skunk Works is sitting on and these other big prime contractors. And I think this is where we’re going to have to to really drill down on putting the Constitution
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back in place and getting members of Congress as well as the the the executive branch and president uh properly uh in the system. But yeah, so those orbs, if you look at some of the uh expeditions we’ve been on, even last year, uh we were in Arizona and we were out, there were several hundred of those that we filmed doing that and sort of replicating and just m materializing in the sky and vanishing. Pretty amazing. Um, so you know, we we have been observing this for a long time and I know that the covert programs have, but
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what I do say to people, you’ll also see that Congressman Berles about 6 months, nine months ago released a video of a Hellfire missile closing in on an orb and it was, you know, 3D spherical and it just sort of bounced off of it and melted. I mean, and the orb kept going. what very few people know that was one of ours that was not extraterrestrial. So that was a friendly fire because the the the mainstream military which has been often called team blue the regular legal military of the United
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States really is not read into these team black programs and so the left hand doesn’t even know the right hand exists. Right? So this is another complicating factor um that uh operationally military uh folks have come to me over the many years and said look we know this is going on uh but we don’t have access and this is why when I briefed the the director of the defense intelligence agency which is like the CIA for all military intelligence. He said he said doc I’ve made inquiries through chain of
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command I can’t get anything. I said, « No, because they don’t trust you. They they know you’re an honest guy and you won’t blow the whistle on this criminal operation. » So, this is what people need to begin to visualize. The secrecy around UFOs is the largest RICO, right? Racketeering influence corrupt organization on the planet. Uh it would put the Bam Gambinos to shame. And I and it is just how it’s run. It’s it’s run like a bunch of thugs and and mafia. and
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they really have so much power in technology, they just sort of flip off the the president and congress whenever they want to. Now, that’s changing. Here’s why it’s changing. Because we have blown the whistle with and provide enough evidence to law enforcement and also to key members of Congress, Senate Intelligence, White House, that they’ve been able to get in through back doors. And I have a team of investigators who are former military who are out there bumping places and getting evidence and
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shooting it over. So the sausage making here, I’m not going to go into too much because it’s it’s sensitive and I don’t want to blow anyone’s cover, but um that’s really how they’re getting inside. And I think that this is why a civilian operation like ours has to sort of backs stop the usual nonsense or as a Delta Force guy told me the normal that goes on in in government. >> Well, Trump just posted an AI picture of an alien in chains being walked with a bunch of military. Yeah. Uh,
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>> is there any significance to this or is he just trolling at this point? Yeah, he he tends to bring up serious things in a funny way to sort of troll it, but um I I I heard last night from a senior member of Congress who was very upset by that and it’s a member of his own party because he felt that he’s going to step into the same mistake that the governor of Arizona made when he mocked the whole alien thing after the Phoenix lights in 1993. If you would go look back in history at
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that event, I was there when that happened, by the way. It was right above me and it was a C5 contact. That’s what the other thing people don’t know. But so, you know, and that governor since came out and and apologized for ridiculing it that way cuz later he realized it was all very real and very serious and the implications are very serious. So I think that but but at the same time, you know, the president likes to joke and likes to do outrageous things and kind of also um sort of get
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people’s goat, you know, and and and create controversy. It’s something he enjoys doing. So I I don’t take it too seriously, but I did hear from a member of Congress last night who was less than amused by it, but I said, « Look, it’s just part for the course with with with Mr. Trump. » So, >> well, speaking of the president, the vice president, JD Vance, referred to aliens as demons, and you actually commented about this. >> Yeah, he was on the Benny Johnson show
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with a podcaster out of Tampa who’s good friends with the vice president, and I was on one week later and sort of explained how dangerous that comment is. The other problem is other there are members of Congress like Congresswoman Luna that as soon as I briefed her years ago was intercepted by some intelligence and military people who then filled her head with nonsense. U they said, « Oh, they’re not extraterrestrial. They’re interdimensional. » Which is the stupidest comment ever. It’s like saying
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an orange that you eat is round and someone else saying, « No, it’s orange. » Well, it’s round and it’s orange and it’s a fruit. It’s all of the above. So what do I mean by that? What people are confusing is very advanced technology to a lower civilization i.e. ours is always going to look supernatural, magical, whatever. So I mean, so let’s put this in perspective for everyone listening. Let’s go back to Thomas Jefferson. So my home is out in the country, right near his home,
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Montichello. If you showed this thing or what we’re doing right now remotely on an interview to Thomas Jefferson, it would be supernatural, magical, which is what JD Vance said about UFOs. And if you said it in Salem, Massachusetts, you’d be burned at the stake as a witch and executed. So this kind of of thinking is so untuded that it really beggars the imagination. And the problem is religious ideas trying to creep into something that while there is a spiritual dimension to this um is a
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completely incorrect interpretation. And this is going to be a big problem with disclosure going forward in the next few months is that there are going to be a lot of people on the far lunatic fringe of religious extremist organizations saying that these aren’t part of the natural creation because they’re not explicitly in the Bible opriori they’re demons and they’re from Satan. Now, I I don’t think reasonable and moderate religious people or or the Vatican people I’ve met with think that.
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However, there is a strain of this that runs through um the intelligence community and it’s one way to sort of gaslight our leaders into this, but it also discredits the subject because no scientist cares to study demons. If you want to study demons, go to theology school or whatever it is demonologists do. The other thing I pointed out, Vlad, is that years ago, I think it was back in the late 90s, I was at the Vatican with the Pope, senior theologian. It was back when Pope John Paul was the Pope and
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Monsor Balduchi hosted me there. Um, and we were in his apartments overlooking St. Peter’s. And he said, « Look, neither angels nor demons require flying saucers. » He put it so simply. And I and by the way, Monso Balduchi was a demonologist. He his specialty were demons for the Catholic Church, believe it or not. So, we had a long talk about this. Now, this was about, you know, almost 30 years ago. And so, what I I’m telling people back in the 80s, you had Jerry Fwell and Pat Robertson saying UFOs were from
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Satan and the demons and all this stuff. This thread of fan religious fanaticism is really not any different than the Ayatollas in Iran expecting the 12th Iman and and wanting the end of the world to happen. Right? So there is a strain of sort of the lunatic fringe of people who have been filling the heads of people new to the subject. JD Vance admitted in that interview he has not he’s very interested but he’s not had a chance to study it. I have since had a friend of his get over to him a briefing
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document that we had done for the president. But I think that the the mistake is an easy one because if if anything we’re using today, imagine if one of our jets flew over a village in the Middle Ages, well, it would be supernatural, right? But we’re talking about civilizations that are hundreds of thousands to millions of years more advanced than we are in Earth equivalent evolutionary years. Well, of course, their technologies are going to look magical to us. But if you’re if you’re
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looking at it objectively, almost everything we use today would be magical to people back up hundreds of years ago. So, I think we have to bring that perspective to it and kind of calm down this hysteria and and sort of literally demonizing the aliens that saying they’re demons because they look different from us. Well, you I call this sort of interstellar racism. You know, this is the the stock and trade of all ufology, right? The good aliens are tall and white, look like they’re from Norway, and the bad ones are short and
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dark and have different facial features. Well, this is just blatant speciesism or racism, but taken on an interstellar level. So, I I view almost of all all ufology as sort of a a bastion of bigotry and ignorance. Um, but uh, sorry to say I make a few friends that way, but I’m not running for mayor of Crazy Town. You know, I’ll leave that to those guys. But, you know, and I think it is dangerous because the vice president is a heartbeat away from the Oval Office. Uh, and the president’s 80 years old.
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So, what you don’t want, in my opinion, is to have somebody saying something that could then lead to uh, sort of people wanting to have a holy war over this issue. Uh, and there are people in FBI, CIA, Department of Defense that are part of that lunatic fringe of religious extremists that would like to see that happen. So, I think, you know, it was kind of a funny comment, but it it’s not funny because he actually meant it. And it’s very similar to what Tucker Carlson has said that he has said, « Oh, these
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are demons and they’re working for Satan and all this sort of stuff. » And look, everyone can believe anything they want. believe in freedom of of faith, religion, freedom of speech, but you know, if you’re a leader, you have a responsibility to speak reasonably and factually about something that’s important. Um, so I I think that, you know, we’re trying to to steer people away from that. And members of Congress need to get off the they’re not extraterrestrial, they’re
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interdimensional. Now, why? Let me let me explain this for just a minute. this thing. Let’s put an electromagnetic field propulsion system around this. And if you change it at the subatomic level through magnetic fields and what have you, that object can literally dematerialize and vanish right in front of you and reappear at a place far away. It’s quantum entanglement, but on a macro big level. So you do can do this with entire spacecraft and people on it. Now where is it when it’s disappeared? It’s
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crossed into what’s called other dimensions. Now so the reality is any civilization that can go interstellar which is beyond the speed of light by definition has to traverse these other dimensions. And this is why it’s very easy to confuse a demon or an angel or something from another dimension. And I don’t deny those exist with extraterrestrial because there’s an overlap. But see, this is science interfacing with interf facing with mythologies and ancient spiritual teachings. And we have to sort
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of unpack that because the public’s going to get very very confused if the leaders don’t have clarity and but I think more importantly they need to understand what’s called transdimensional physics. It’s very arcane. It’s the physics of very powerful high voltage electromagnetic fields and and other technologies causing objects to uh teleport and move out of linear 3D space-time matter through other dimensions but then reappear. So basically they pop out of this dimension, traverse other
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dimensions and then pop back into 3D at another point in space. Now, this has been well understood, by the way, since at least the late 1950s in covert scientific research programs dealing with UFOs. But so, we have about a 70-year gap, honestly, that we have to fill in for our leaders and for the public and and even scientists because it doesn’t matter if you have PhDs from Caltech and MIT. Uh, this is a not going to be in any textbook or or lab because it’s extremely classified. Um, and I
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think this is why there’s a big catching up process to do, but I think until our leaders get properly read in and briefed, they really should not be echoing the nonsensical theories that are out there amongst the UFO uh, lunatic fringe. Early this year, Obama said, « Aliens are real, but they are not in Area 51. » And then Trump responded, said that Obama’s giving away classified information. and he made a big mistake. >> Uh Obama was correct in what he said and he would but listen to what he said.
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Remember Obama’s an attorney, a lawyer, and they’re they they’re they’re very good with words. So what he said was he knew the aliens existed, but he through as president was never able to see anything. Now what does that mean? It means that if you go up to my condo here where I am right now in my building, you’ll see a briefing document for President Obama that was provided to his right-hand guy who put his administrative uh cabinet together uh Mr. Podesta. And in that we had
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tremendous amounts of information and it was serious materials from whistleblowers, military documents, government documents, all kinds of evidence. So that’s why Obama said he Mr. Obama said he knew they were real, but he through chain of command channels was blocked just like Clinton was blocked and just like they were blocking Jack Kennedy, President Kennedy uh and when he started pushing too hard on that, they just killed him over this. Uh we know this to be true. So I think that when when Obama said that, he was uh
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being very very truthful. Now later he walked it back but what it did it triggered the president not to be let let he didn’t want to be leapfrogged uh by a former president that he didn’t like on the other side of the aisle and so being very competitive on Air Force One under Trump made that comment but the pre President Trump needs to understand Mr. Obama did not breach any classified information from what he said because what he said came from an open source from the disclosure project and
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people that we had providing information into the White House way back then in 2009 and 10. So I think this is another big confusion. Uh I want to clarify that because I don’t think Mr. Obama was lying. But and I I think uh President Trump assumed because he didn’t listen to it carefully. What what what the President Obama was saying is that he didn’t learn about this through official classified channels. He learned about it from an external non-governmental process, which is what we’ve been doing
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for 35 years. So I think that’s different and and and therefore he didn’t breach any any national security secrets. Now, this is the other thing I point out to people in Congress since the programs are illegal. Now, let’s unpack this a little more because I mean, anyone listening who’s a whistleblower pass or currently in one of these programs, you should contact us. Everyone says, « I can’t talk about XYZ because it’s top secret. » I go, « No, it’s not. It’s not.
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We can prove that the programs have been run illegally as a treasonous effort since the mid1 1950s. And because we can prove this, it means that you cannot use the national security act to keep something secret if that program is itself breaking the law. This this is constitutional law 101, contract law 101. So what I tell whistleblowers and I’ve been telling members of Congress, none of those programs can be regarded as having a legitimate TSSCI stamp on it, top secret special compartmented information. Nor
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should the information be exchanged in a skiff where I have been a secure compartment information facility or top secret information because you wouldn’t afford the mafia or any other criminal organization with the status of a skiff briefing, right? So this is foundational to the disclosure project. By the time we declared these programs illegal in late 1997, I and my team had briefed the CI director, president, the secretary of defense, the head of intelligence, joint chiefs of staff, Admiral Wilson, the
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head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, General Patrick Hughes, Three Star, members of the Senate Intelligence Committee, members of the House Oversight Committee. This was back in the 90s, 30 years ago. In every case, those people were not given information and were actively blocked or threatened for inquiring, including the president of the United States. That proves that the programs are illegal. And if they’re illegal, you know what? The non-disclosure agreements, top secret agreements all these men and women have
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signed, shred them. They have no enforcability. None. People need to hear this because one of the things that it has kept people more people from coming forward is I had a man recently tell me, « Oh, I signed an 80year non-disclosure agreement with draconian penalties, including treason and death and the loss of my military pension. » I said, « Yes, but it has no enforcability because the program you were read into is itself an illegal operation and a criminal operation operating outside the
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Constitution. » and the oversight of both the White House and the Congress. You and I tell people you can’t have it both ways. You can’t run a program illegally with embezzled money, engage in wet works, which is a nice way of saying targeted assassinations, kill list, uh, and be involved in all kinds of skull duggery, including human trafficking and abductions using man-made UFOs, and then say, « Oh, gee, you have to be quiet because you signed a non-disclosure agreement. It’s top secret. » See, this
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is this is the the the the game that’s been played. And what we did early on was to go right to the top and find out well if the president the CI director I briefed in 93 aren’t read into it then the program is insubordinate and illegal. So they have just visiated they have neutralized their uh national security uh classification system on UFOs. So I tell people anything related to UFOs, extraterrestrial intelligence is fair game because we can prove in a court of law with multiple witnesses that those
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programs are illegal. And by the way, many people in Congress now know that to be true. There are people in the administration, I won’t say who, know it to be true. And federal law enforcement knows what we’re saying is true. And they have checked it and can prove it. So I I I tell people we need a flood of whistleblowers coming forward firsthand and particularly operators, people who have been at these covert black sites that have been, you know, using electromagnetic pulse weapons to down
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extraterrestrial vehicles, capture them, torture the occupants, things like that. I know these men. Quite a few of them are Delta Force and and then they go over and work as as contractors under a non-official cover or knock. and the Knox that I know all want to come forward but they are afraid of of not so much of their non-disclosure agreement but of the uh you know being assassinated and and that is nothing to laugh about because these guys have families you know and I know for a fact that there was a meeting in a skiff with
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a senior aerospace company’s head of security and some other people where they were talking about whistleblowers I was working with and talking about killing them, flat out killing them, right? So that has been handed over to federal law enforcement also and with the names of the people who have ordered these killings. So, you know, this thing about missing scientists and dead people. Look, I’ve been dealing with that since the ‘9s, and it’s it’s very upsetting. you know, I mean, and I have had people
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who have been killed that have worked with me, but I think that, you know, we’re at a point now where the the government needs to deploy uh protective tactical protection around high value witnesses. uh and they they need to make sure that anyone who threatens any of them are grabbed up and prosecuted for treason and are are you know really run through the system. So that’s what we’re recommending. I’ve been recommending that and working with some very senior law enforcement as well as military
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people over the last 5 years or so and they’ve made great progress. But it is a it’s it’s you’re trying to unwind 70 years of of an unconstitutional secret program. >> Well, the documentary S4, the Bob Lazar story, the documentary about Bob Lazar came out recently and I got a chance to watch it >> and Bob claims that he was actually at Area 51 and walked into a UFO and got to go inside the spaceship and play around with technology and so forth. Did you watch his documentary?
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>> Well, I I’ve known him for years. There’s no need to. I mean, there’s no corroboration of it and the science that he’s presented does it may or may not be accurate, but he was so young and therefore so short of time. There’s no way he would have been read on to to to the to the operational details of that object. Uh I will say that you know if if he has corroborating do documents or fellow workers this is what I’ve done like for example I have one black site out west where there are a half a dozen
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currently operate and they have provided information to members of congress and to others and uh and now people in the administration. So what I’d say is anyone like that, you need to gather corroboration. You need to gather other whistleblowers who were there. Uh and it should be investigated. So um otherwise, you know, I I don’t know what to say about it. Um you there’s a very high bar when it’s just one person’s account. It’s less of a bar. And remember, Area 51’s pretty defunct area
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that everything got moved out of there long ago. The real action is in Area 54 and 52 and 53 in Pahoot Mesa and Groom Lake and the really important material and operations are not there at all. They’re they’re up at the uh Edwards complex and the Lockheed Skunk Works underground facilities where I have been and I have video photos of the underground opening at those sites. the Dougway proving grounds out in Utah where we have a whistleblower and we know exactly where a vast underground complex is there. So even when he was
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there that Area 51 region was remember that its heyday was in the ‘ 50s60s7s. So, you know, uh it’s it’s sort of I’m not saying totally mothballled, but you know, it’s it’s uh it’s it’s a curious account if you know enough about how these black sites have evolved and been built and been managed, you know, and you have big corporations like the Becktail Corporation and they have a nuclearpowered tunneling machine. I have the patent for it that was developed in the 60s to build these underground
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chambers and tunnels and connectors. You can go underground near the Edwards complex and surface boom at the Nellis in Nevada non-stop underground. >> So are you saying that Bob Lazar is lying? >> I’m saying I have no idea. I’m saying that it needs corroboration, but I think that it’s um there’s just much much better whistleblower testimony um than that. And it’s become sort of a media fascination when I go, look, we have all these guys who are operational who saw and have handled much more than
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that who have come forward. If you go to our archive, you’ll see 120 military and corporate whistleblowers testimony, name rank, serial number. Way more information than anything Mr. Lazar saw briefly or or or you know that that people are are looking at. So, I guess think it’s interesting that something that is an uncorrobed oneperson case sort of gets all that attention, but the actual whistleblowers who’ve risked their lives to bring information forward. Well, not a mention. Now, you have to wonder
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what’s going on with media and internet with that. I I actually think you know the whole uh new media and old media has is utterly penetrating corrupted by uh covert intelligence operations particularly CIA’s connections to Black Rockck uh you know 15 trillion or something and in manage assets and they have operation operators that then influence all the internet media and and old legacy media companies to either blow a story up or block And so, you know, this is another big problem for
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our democracy in my opinion is that the fourth estate is effectively dead on anything important. >> Well, there’s a guy named Dr. Hal Put, former >> uh advanced aerospace weapon system applications program adviser and CIA funded researcher who recently said there are four distinct species of aliens that they got from crashed UFOs. And he said that each alien species has two arms and legs and a humanoid appearance. >> Well, they do have a head, two arms and two legs and humanoid. That’s correct.
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The fact that the idea that there are four is a myth. That’s an old UFO myth. Um I know one of our uh whistleblowers who has since passed away, Sergeant Stone, who was on a retrieval team in the 60s. By the late 1960s, they had documented no fewer than 69 discrete specific extraterrestrial species. So, there’s this mythology uh you know, the four, you know, you got the the insect type and the reptile type and the gray type and the Nordic type. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, and so one
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of the problems with Dr. put off is that he’s been embedded with some CIA and other operations that we now have been able to prove are counter intelligence and disinformation programs and he’s also been involved in identifying technologies that humans have and handing that up to chain of command so that they can be suppressed. So he is also been referred for investigation by law enforcement. >> Well then there is the bugosphere. >> Yeah. Amazing. >> Talk about that. >> Well, but the bogusphere, um, I first
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heard about it in the spring of last year, 2025, and I didn’t know what to think about it cuz, you know, in this field there’s so many hoaxes and nonsense. So, but the man who ended up retrieving it from Colombia, South America, because it it landed in Boougga, Colombia, South America, little village called Bugga, B UA. and it’s about a foot long spherical object. Uh Haimey Mason brought it back to Mexico City and invited me to come down. And so last June, I brought Congressman Berles with me of the House
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Oversight Committee to look at it and we did the first scientific investigations uh on on the metal and and the um a organic material that if you look around the the equator, there are these 31 little teeny holes that have a type of resin epoxy in there that has embedded with microscopic fiber optics. Amazing uh design. and we were able to carbonate it to 12,560 years ago at the University of Georgia, uh, which is one of the best labs in the world. And then we did the metallurgy where we did a scraping, uh, from inside
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one of those tiny holes. And the metallurgy shows that it’s an alloy um, doesn’t even exist now on the planet in any aerospace application. um and that it had rare earth uh minerals that were important in electrical circuitry in it even though those weren’t even on our periodic table of elements until the late 1800s and early 1900s. They weren’t even discovered. So, but the but the sphere is 12,560 years old. It is an electrogravidic anti-gravity free energy device. Now, it’s not operational. I got
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very close to some very high voltage power lines. which you’ll see in the video. And it shorted out. I could see on the side of it where it kind of got zapped and it kind of shortcircuited the the circuitry of of its electronics and it sort of went out of control, but it didn’t crash hard. It just landed in in this brushy area where a local man picked it up. Interestingly, when he picked it up, it was cold to the touch, which is classic of a zero point or quantum vacuum uh energy system. They
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don’t give off heat. They’re actually cool. It was putting out some sort of radio frequency that made him nauseated and gave him a little bit of a skin rash. Wasn’t nuclear, but it was a radio frequency. Um, and when he picked it up, it weighed 2 kg, so about 4 12 lb. And now it weighs over 10 kg, 22 1/2 lb. Interesting. And people couldn’t understand when I went down to Mexico City how that happened. I said, « Well, it’s it’s the nature of the technology. It’s a it’s a mass cancellation effect
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of the of the weight of the object due to its electronics. And if it becomes massless, it disappears out of this dimension. » That’s what I was saying earlier. But this thing, there are now at least a dozen videos of other bugosphere type objects flying around that area. And um there may a second one that’s been retrieved. We’re not sure, but that’s the rumor. It hasn’t been confirmed yet, but um the original one is really a masterpiece of of some engineering. Now, interestingly, a month
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ago, we did a microCT CT scan. You know, we did a regular CT scan like you would on a body and showed, you know, its structure internally. And all that was showing then was sort of like a like a cloudy energy field that looked like a flask. It senses dissipated. The microCT scan where you can run like a camera through and see every bolt and wire, it shows nothing in there now. And it’s just a it’s like a black hole inside. It’s like a u you know a quantum vacuum. Now we have not entered it. We have not drilled
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into it yet. So we know that in all likelihood it was some type of superconducting a low energy plasma field or a similar type of technology that allowed it to get its energy from what’s called the zero point or free energy field quantum vacuum and then its rotation it was spinning about 330 RPMs its combination of its energy system and its rotational effect caused it to have this levitating ability because there’s no one thing is for sure. There’s no nuclear power in it. There’s no jet
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fuel, gas, any means of propulsion. So, we know this is a unique propulsion and energy device, but of course, it’s not operational. Now, the other curious thing about it is that on the top of it are a bunch of inscriptions. That’s a type of proto Sanskrit. And Sanskrit is the world’s oldest language. is the, you know, believed to be the root of all Indo-Uropean languages and proto Sanskrit is a more ancient version of that. Well, that would track with 12,500 years ago. And um you know, my theory is
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that that proto Sanskrit language and those symbols did not originate on Earth. They were from a offplanet source to begin with. But the big question, you know, the the hundred trillion dollar question is why are these buggospheres suddenly being activated after 12,560 years? Now, there’s no ET inside them. They’re obviously remote sensors and surveillance and they must in my opinion they’re being triggered by either some sort of cosmic event they’re picking up or some electromagnetic and earth
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geohysical event they’re picking up because 12,560 years ago is when there was either a comet or some object that struck the earth and it ended the last ice age and there was a big sort of mass extinction event the so-called flood that that people hear about in in various traditions. And so are these devices there and being activated because they’re picking up something similar that’s approaching? I don’t know. I’m theorizing here. This is my hypothesis, but I don’t think it’s an
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accident that all of a sudden these uh spheres are being activated. Now the other trick here is uh few months ago there was a man who tried to make a fake one in the United States and uh we were pretty sure it was fake. And so now that this has gotten out, researchers are going to have to be very careful that they’re not gas lit by someone just trying to get internet fame or money uh by hoaxing one. But the booghere is legit and and it’s a very unusual device. There’s so much work. My opinion
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as if there was anyone who could fund it, it should be reverse engineered like any other extraterrestrial object, but that’s millions, probably tens of millions of dollars to do that. Um, which as a retired emergency doctor, I certainly don’t have, but um, we don’t make that much anyway. So, I think that’s the real issue. Uh, is will anybody step up? Now, the miracle of miracles is that it’s still sitting in a vault in Mexico City being under 24-hour guard, and it has not had a SWAT team
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steal it yet. Now, when I was there with with with Congressman Berles that night on a Saturday night, there was two armed police that came who tried to steal it. And one of them I had some people who had the ability to run it through facial recognition was a a member of the Mexican cartels federal but embedded in the federal government police. And we know that the cabal this covert organization keeping all this secret. They work a lot with the criminal gangs and cartels around the world and Russia,
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Ukraine, Mexico, all over uh South America. So, you know, and actually I put a little blip, like a one or two minute thing about that cuz it had just happened. Uh, and I put it on our Tik Tok channel. It went viral with several million views and Tik Tok has permanently took the channel down. >> Gee, you makes you wonder who’s really controlling the algorithms at Tik Tok. Everyone listening to this should file and write a complaint. This is censorship. This is fascism, right? You know, I don’t know why people don’t
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take this sort of internet criminality seriously. I mean, I think Tik Tok should be hauled in front of a court for suppressing that information from the public. We were simply trying to get the information out to protect the thing and and do an alert that we know this is happening, right? And that we were recommending that more security be stood up around this device. So, why would Tik Tok take that notice, take us down off their channel for that? Well, in the Bob Lazar documentary, they talked about how aliens were potentially
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messing around with human DNA to kind of move us into a into a certain direction in terms of evolution. Do you believe any of this? >> I think there are covert human programs that have taken extraterrestrial DNA and human DNA and done all kinds of weird things with it. We know that there are things called program life forms, the grays, and a lot of the ones that people like how put off describe as aliens that are man-made. They are basically like a alien reproduction vehicle is a man-made
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spacecraft that Northrup or Lucky Skunkworks makes or Rathon. These were biologicals. And I’ve known about this for 30ome years. And it’s recently come to light that, you know, Cong former Congressman Gates was briefed on this. other people were briefed on it um with military people and uh so if you’re a casual observer you’ll see these creatures that are also used in abductions. See there all these the abduction myth and the mutilation cattle mutilation myth those are being done by human
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covert operations for their psychological warfare value. So, the way they can do it in the old days, I had uh several people who said, « Well, we would dress up someone who’s short or looks a little weird like Hollywood would and make them look like an alien, put them on one of our man-made anti-gravity craft and go abduct someone to put the word out that the aliens were attacking us. It was all a psychological warfare operation. » And of course, the UFO subculture and media lapped it up like,
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you know, a kitten to to a dish of milk. And it’s it’s really very sad how gullible people are. Uh but part of it is that most people can’t imagine the criminality and this this the sociopaths that run these programs and they underestimate in my opinion the technology we humans have to simulate an alien event or an alien creature or craft. Uh and I think that gap allows people to reach wrong conclusions. So, uh, in reality, yes, what you asked about has been done, but not in the way
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people are saying in that documentary. Um, it’s more that those civilizations are waiting for us to evolve to a point of readiness to a stop killing each other and b go out in space peacefully with them. But, and until then, we’re sort of being watched and to an extent quarantined so we don’t go too far out there because humans are simply not civilized yet. If you doubt it, go to the Middle East and or Ukraine, take a look around. So I think or my ER on a Saturday night. But I think that in reality, the the
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technologies are not just electromagnetic physical, they’re also biological. So think of this, there’s been a this this covert ascendancy of technologies and electromagnetic surveillance, all kinds of cool stuff. But there’s also been a a a a concominant parallel explosion in in classified biological uh research because of that technology because biotech think of biotech being supercharged with technologies of extraterrestrial origin. So you you have to connect that dot and and as a doctor
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I had people come to me in the ‘9s and say, « Oh yeah, I was actually taken to a covert lab where they were doing some weird things with this sort of physics with biological systems. » Now the good news, that’s the scary part. The nice part of it is that those same technologies I’m sure in the future can be used for healing uh curing cancer, regenerating limbs, regenerating severed spinal cords, uh brain injuries, all sorts of regenerative technologies based on these advanced uh physics. But never
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mind imaging technologies um will be greatly advanced uh when the this science comes out. But in the meanwhile, you have a group of Frankenstein type mingala weirdos doing all manner of stuff with this technology unsupervised by anyone check and balance in the government and they’re doing all kinds of things to fool people. You know, interestingly, the uh the the guy Jocket, Dr. Jock Filet admits in a book from 1992 that he received a CIA document in ‘ 85 dated 1985 where they bragged about going to
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Argentina and Brazil and using human technology to quote simulate alien abductions of peasants for their psychological warfare value. So boom, let’s pop that balloon real fast of the mythology of the aliens abducting humans and experimenting with us and mutilating cattle. That’s all a scop. Why? Because those same people want everyone to hate the aliens so we can have an interplanetary war so they can make more and more money through fear and brainwashing a gullible public and an uninformed leadership at in our
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presidency in Congress. Look, my my my team has known this stuff for decades and it’s now coming to light. So, and the public is going to go around, you know, with these mythologies rolling in their heads because they lap up idiotic programming on television, on the internet and documentaries as if it’s the the the truth. And I would say 80 90% of it is a myth. Well, Elon Musk, who uh depending on the day of the week, is the richest man in the world, said, « I’ve never seen any evidence of aliens despite SpaceX having
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thousands of Starlink satellites circling the Earth. » Do you think he’s telling the truth or do you think he’s gaslighting? >> Well, it could well be that his technology is not picking up those objects. just theoretically possible. But then again, if an object is in a let’s say transdimensional form shifted out of linear spaceime, his satellites aren’t going to pick up anything. Um, and so I think this is the other question. It’s like microorganisms didn’t exist until someone invented the
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lens for microscopes. Who’s looking and with what technology? He doesn’t have NRO, National Reconnaissance Office, top secret imaging technology that does pick those objects up even when they’re starting to come into 3D. So his comment on that has no probative or evidential value whatsoever. Where I had a problem with him last year was where he bragged that what SpaceX had technologically was more advanced than everything at Lockheed or Northr Grumman. And that was an absolute lie. And we exposed that because saying
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that when he was very very close to the president was gaslighting the president on something very important. So he either didn’t know what he was talking about or he was deliberately misleading people. And we went public and said, « No, that is absolutely not true. SpaceX is using a 1940s rocket with some fancy computers and some newer material science. Whereas these technologies that he’s not read into are using very advanced electromagnetic field propulsion that are anti-gravity, quote unquote, etc. So
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for him to tell the president and the public that his rocket, you know, is the best thing out there is is a complete fabrication. Well, one of the things that Elon has talked about in interviews is the concept of are we in a simulation? Do you believe any of that? >> Oh, well, I mean, from the point of view, now we’re getting into philos philosophy. Um in the Vadic tradition the whole of creation is maya an illusion and that everything is really pure consciousness with a play and display as being this
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thing or that thing or what have you. So on a deeper level at at that level of consciousness, yes. But in terms of it just all being an AI program, no. Not unless you consider the creator running an AI program created the creation or something. So that now you’re you’re talking about let’s count how many angels are on the head of a pen. But um so you know a lot of these guys I mean I think you know they they’re I’ve had these discussions for years with folks like that. It’s like well yes
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and no because basically it’s what your level of consciousness is right. What was the old saying in the vadas the ancient Sanskrit the world is as you are. So your level of consciousness informs what you perceive and your perception is your reality. But you know it doesn’t mean that that it’s all just sort of a a simulated AI program, right? I mean uh but at the same time you know it it you can get into these really advanced concepts of consciousness right and consciousness technologies. And by the way, that’s the
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other thing about this buggosphere. It seems to be able to sense human awareness and people who are looking at it. Um, now back in the I wrote a paper in ’91, 1991 describing two things. Technology assisted consciousness where you can have a technological device like this headset you’re wearing and it would assist your consciousness to be able to remote view and see remote places. But there’s also consciousness assisted technology where your own consciousness interfaces with a device and extraterrestrial
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communication systems and guidance systems interface seamlessly with the intended stream of consciousness and thought of the operator of the of the ship. And we observed I observed this when I had an event happen to me in 19 73 uh when I was 18. And um it was very interesting how that worked. And this is how I ended up starting C5 contact, a close Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind, if people look at that documentary, because I discovered that not just any random thought, but your consciousness in an expanded state,
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almost meditative state and then a very clear intended stream of consciousness, which I call coherent thought sequencing. It’s like a laser-like intentionality can interface with these ET craft and objects and people the the extraterrestrial people themselves as easily as we do a you know a teleconference or a zoom call or a FaceTime call. So there is this very advanced let’s call it conscious AI component of extraterrestrial technology and and I think that’s the other big secret that’s starting to come out. You
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know, you’ve heard about some of the what are called psionic operators at these black sites that are using uh people who are specially trained to latch on in consciousness with an ET craft, lure it over and then knock it down with an electromagnetic pulse weapon. I know several of those and one of them came forward at the National Press Club uh a week ago Friday that uh nobody saw that they’re looking at lights in the sky that the president released. Right. All the I’m just telling you that the the really
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important stuff no one’s looking at. >> Well, one of the things you said in an interview is that you had a general offer you $2 billion. >> Yeah. >> For what? to abandon what I’ve been doing since it was in May of 1992 and it was General Albert Stubblebind III who had been head of army intelligence special forces back years ago and he was part of a cabal group of people that included Dr. how put off and Colonel John Alexander and several other people um and they didn’t like what we were
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doing because in March of 1992 I had about 60 people out on a beach near Pensacola and we had four we were doing C5 contact and people can get the app it’s called C5 contact and get on your app stores and I was teaching them to do this process of remote viewing and making contact and there were four ET craft that just popped and materialized into the sky. And one of them was photographed and ended up on the front page of the Pensacola paper the next day. And that lit up the intelligence community. So I had both friendly people
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reach out to me at that point and ultimately one of the guy who helped set up my meeting with the CI director for Bill Clinton learned of it and and and that’s why in 93 I briefed Clinton’s first CI director. But General Stubblebine and his group were not happy. They said, « Look, you guys have broken the it’s like the Rosetta Stone of ET contact and how it’s done and you shouldn’t be doing this. » I said, « I don’t recognize your authority. » Um, so we kind of had a tiff and then about a
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month later up in uh near Estis Park, Colorado, I was having a conference for researchers. And he came, he offered me $2 billion to be quiet, work with his team, and not do what I was doing publicly. And then he went to my wife, tried to convince her to convince me. And I said, « Never approach my wife again about something like this. » And I told him, « I’m not interested in your money. » That is a true story. Uh, and it really happened. So, one of the other naivees, I was talking to a Stanford law
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graduate a couple weeks ago who said, « Well, there’s no way they could keep this secret all these decades. » I said, « Uh, you’re a lawyer dealing with whatever, you know, corporate law. Let me tell you how the world works, the real world. They’re going to offer you whatever they think will be your price tag. They’re going to threaten you. They will blackmail you. They will find any dirt and oppo research they can and blackmail you. That’s what the Epstein files were
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for. That was a honeypot. And then if that doesn’t work, they they will if if if you’re not careful, just flat out kill you. I said, so the idea that extraordinary means aren’t taken to keep an extraordinary secret is naive. But this is one of the big problems I’ve I’ve run into is that most people in the media and the public greatly underestimate the thuggishness and the ruthlessness of the people keeping the secret. These are very nasty folks. So he wanted to and the other reason he
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wanted me involved and that’s become clearer over the years is that these psionic programs where they train people to connect to the ET craft and consciousness conscious AI aspect of the craft and and the operator. They wanted me to be part of that so they could be use us to bring ET craft over so they could strike them with these illegal electromagnetic pulse weapons. Um, and which by the way are illegal. They’re against the international nonpariferation treaty for nuclear weapons because an
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electromagnetic pulse, everyone should know, is the pulse that goes out from an atomic bomb or nuclear bomb. But you can weaponize just that component of it, which is what’s happened. I’ve seen these weapons and I’ve been at places where they’re operating them. I was at two places back about 2 and a half years ago out west where at each site they knock down one or two ET craft and kill them and and if the ETSs are living they capture them and then of course as usual torture them and interrogate them. But
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um so and there are a number of them still living. That’s one of the directives when I put together the recommendations and executive order recommendations for the president was that they have a team go in and liberate those guys, the the the non-human beings that are in there. They’re still living and um so I think that the he stumbled by I think >> Hold on hold on one sec. Let me just interrupt you real quick. >> Yeah. >> So you’re saying there’s a living ET in
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a government facility somewhere? >> No. You see, this is the mistake everyone makes. What government? Which government? >> Well, somewhere you’re saying that someone has a living ET in a cage somewhere. That’s what you’re saying. >> Well, a number of them. Yes. >> Okay. >> More than one because when they down these crafts, sometimes they crash to smitherines, but sometimes they have a sort of a hard to soft landing and they capture the the ET beans. So the
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operators, the Delta Force guys and the contractors who are at some of these sites have told me that they have those in their custody and but they’re in underground facilities, which is horrible, but >> Okay. So, what do these ETs eat? How do you sustain their life? >> I have I have no idea. I’m sure they figure that out and, you know, they go on. I mean, I that’s not something I have information on that’s credible. I’ve heard various rumors, but um you know, I I wouldn’t hang my hat on
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anything I’ve heard, but I I would have my hang on the fact that we have downed at least a thousand to 2,000 ET craft. Many of them have had living creatures on them. And I’m talking about over the decades. And those craft have been reverse engineered. And uh the genetics of those ETs, living and dead, have been used to create knockoff fake ETSs that have been used in psychological warfare operations such as abductions and mutilations and other nonsense. The other problem that’s come to the
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attention that we brought to the attention of of of law enforcement, there’s a huge program using man-made UFOs, um, triangular ones, octagonal ones, others in human trafficking and child trafficking. So, they’re used in in rather gruesome criminal enterprises. And this is known by extremely senior people in the administration and in law enforcement. That’s all I’m going to say. So, you know, I think part of the problem with this issue is that you you know, and and actually both Congressman
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uh Burched and Berles recently said they’ve been at meetings and learned things that would tilt the world upside down and it would upset. I said, « Yeah, it would. » And so, one of the I make a joke sort of semi joke about what I call disclosure PTSD. You drill down on this and you start pulling the curtain back and you begin to see what horrific things the, you know, people of the mindset of Dr. Mingala with Adolf Hitler are doing but with much better technologies, much more advanced
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technologies. And so this gets into a real problem. How much do you tell the public? How much do you hide? Uh how much do you cover up these misdeeds and just let them go away? Unfortunately, there’s a big push around the president to prevent him from disclosing the man-made technologies we have, which he now knows we have. All right? Because those can be used in clandestine operations and be classified. But my argument is that if you have used these technologies for decades in criminal operations against
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innocent civilians both in the United States and abroad, you have forfeited the ability to keep that secret. You have given up that right. So the public needs to know the truth about this. Now, are they given the schematics of how the things run? No. You and I can’t go down to Ace Hardware store or Home Depot and buy a nuclear bomb or a nuclear trigger or a component. So, but the existence of that fleet of human craft that have been reverse engineered and had been used in false flag and psychological warfare
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operations that absolutely has to come out. Otherwise, the public’s going to be left with the impression, false impression, that the ETSs have been doing all these horrible things when really it’s these it’s like the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain pulling all the curtain the levers and scaring the crap out of Darthothy and the Scarecrow. Um, no, this has to get revealed because otherwise people are going to think there’s 60 years of atrocious things aliens have been doing to us, which is
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also false. Um so I think that you know disclosure is a very tricky business. If this comes out incorrectly it will be catastrophic for our civilization and will lead to interplanetary war which is an extinction event for humans. If it comes out properly truthfully then it’s a new civilization you know we’ll get rid of oil gas nuclear straits of Hormuz. Who cares? We don’t need it. Well, we do right now, but we don’t need it long term. You know, have at it, bro. You know, you can have leave the oil in
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the ground. So, and you can end poverty in 20 years with these technologies. So, that’s the big message, you know, because people say, « Oh, well, President Trump wants to be the peace president and the golden age president. » I said, « Well, you’re not going to do it by just pulling black junk up out of the ground. You’re going to disclose these technologies, but not the things that fly. You have to disclose how you get the energy and how things run. But things that levitate and fly at 300,000
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mph, you don’t want a terrorist in Moadishu having that. So there there is a rank order of what technologies can be explicitly disclosed and what needs to be held back. But the information that they exist and that there have been unfortunate things done with those that have gas lit the public that has to come out and it needs to come out very quickly. Now I know that people like U Bob Bigalow who had Bigalow Aerospace where Dr. Put off and some of these other figures worked um is advising that
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he do a soft disclosure and not reveal any of this. That’s a mistake. Unfortunately, he’s in the billionaire club and friends with the president. But it’s a very big mistake for them to do that because it leaves uh unressed 60 70 years of horrifying things that have been attributed to extraterrestrials or aliens when it’s not. And I think that ends up leaving the all of humanity psychologically prepared for being manipulated through fear. Remember, the only way demagogues get away with controlling the masses and
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creating wars and creating cults and all that is through fear. And the biggest what could be a more scary thing than say we’re being invaded and raped by aliens, you know, even though it’s not true. So, I think this is something has to be addressed. and it’s an ugly story, but if it’s not addressed, the whole public who’s seen all manner of movies and lame documentaries and other nonsense are going to think, « I’m sorry. I’m not I’m Look, I’ll be 71 next month.
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I’m too old and too over it to mince words with you, but I’m just telling you the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, which nobody wants to hear. » I will tell you that. Well, you said that the Disclosure Project needs around 1 million a year to protect whistleblowers. How much money has the Disclosure Project gotten over the years in terms of donations? >> Oh, I don’t know. Probably over 30 years, a couple million. But we need this year. Well, we have had a
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benefactor provide us few hundred,000 for a team that’s doing what you just mentioned and has set up a system to protect the whistleblowers, but also go to sources where I shouldn’t go because I’m known and get information and and convey it back over to the US government, Congress. So, uh, I I can’t talk too much about the structure of that because it’s sensitive and ongoing, but yeah, but it’s expensive. We’re funding that. When we bring whistleblowers to DC that were being
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taken to Senate Intelligence and to the Pentagon Arrow Office, we paid for that. A lot of these guys don’t have the money to fly here and be put up. So, our expenses are huge with this. And we only have one staff member, you know, so it’s me, my wife, one staff member, and then like a 15-hour a week person. But we’re we’re doing this all this work with very little staff and funding. But the the the people that are in the field, they’re sort of senior operators in in in the military, but they’re they have
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families and they have young kids, so they have to be supported and um so we have to pay for that. So that’s what we’re doing. And and I think that the public needs to understand that and help us, you know, because we’re not the Ford Foundation or something. Now, I’m sure if I claimed I was by a gang of aliens, I would probably get $10 million like Gary Nolan at Stanford got his three and a half million after he defrauded the public about that Adacama humanoid, that little skeleton thing.
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Tell the lie that this organization wants you to tell, you’ll get rich. >> Well, last question. You said that a while back you had a meeting at the Wrigley mansion and this is the Wrigley chewing gum family. >> You’re right. Right. Yep. >> So, what happened there exactly? Well, that was back in 1993, about two months before I briefed CI director in 93. And there were some people who were high-tech digital back then folks who worked with this covert organization that invited me and they knew that this
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meeting with me and the CI director was being set up. So it was very late at night and it was maybe 10:00 midnight and it was a conference room in the Wrigley mansion and Jordy Hormell of Hormell meet I think had purchased it and they were kind of using him as a front for this operation. I don’t think he was even aware what was going on honestly. Um and I guess maybe there were 8 to 12 guys in suits around this table and u they said look we know all about your meeting uh with the CI director. I and they said
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very bluntly the president and the CI director don’t know anything and they’re not going to know anything. if you want to know what’s going on with this, talk to us, those of us who contract for these programs and except and they described the whole thing and I’m going all right and I knew that was true and and u I knew that even though we had used extreme precautions to prevent anyone knowing about this meeting that between me and the CI director that it was already known in those circles
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because their surveillance capabilities exceed what the US government knows about. Um it it’s very advanced surveillance. It’s not even electromagnetic the way we think of it. Um, so anyway, they, you know, and and then I learned a couple other things that uh that there were certain or religious orders involved in that cover up and there were big corporate contractors that were represented at this meeting and they were saying, « Look, we’re the ones who have this and we and and then the now remember this is
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a little about a year and a half after General Stubble offered me $2 billion and one of the guys there said the main guy. He said, « Look, we’ve checked you out. You’re a doctor. You have great credit. 850, whatever. Take out as many credit cards as you want. We’ll zero them out each month to zero because we also control the supercomputers that back up all the banking systems. » And then he described a way that they were getting huge amounts of money because when there was an exchange
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between a dollar and the Japanese yen, for example, anything less than a penny, they would scrape and put into a black file, a black budget file. And very clever, very, this is 93, right? September, October. And so I learned a great deal from these guys. And they were trying to recruit me. So when General Stubblebind’s recruiting effort failed, then he would did all kinds of defaming things. And you know, it’s like what you’ve heard recently. I’m a Russian spy. I’m a Mosad spy. I
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head up a pedophile cult. I mean, everything you can imagine has been thrown at me over the last 30 years. And and I told these guys, I said, « Look, I’m not going to do anything like that. Plus, you’re going to own me, aren’t you? » And he goes, « Oh, no. We’re just wanting to help you out, man. » I said, « Yeah, right. Uh you’re not trying to help anyone. you’re trying to get control what we’re going to do. So, look, this has been my life for 33
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years. You know, it’s nutty, but uh it I joke with people, it was a lot easier taking care of someone shot through the chest with a 45, you know, but >> Well, Dr. Steven Greer, always a pleasure. This is our third interview, I believe. >> Yeah, it was great seeing you again. >> Of course. Of course. Congratulations uh continuing your project. You know, whenever we have these UFO disclosures, I always go to you first and I feel like you really give a good backstory and overview of what’s happening. And uh
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good luck with your project. Good luck with your uh disclosure uh project foundation and wish you all the best. >> Thank you. Appreciate it. That’s >> that’s what it is. Until next time. Byebye.